Star Talk ☆ Let's Hang - All Are Welcome!!

[Lemon Cheesecake]

In the meantime, fortunately there have been some amazing photos and films done on some of the historical artifacts etc.

[chobi]

Yeessss but no... cause it's one thing to look at a photo but another to go see it in person. I want to see things for myself and make my own photos and gather my research materials and maybe discuss with others about my theories.

[Lemon Cheesecake]

well, you can also see them in the museum - I saw the King Tut display that came through and got to be up close and amazed by the artifacts...if we lived back then we probably would never have been allowed to get that close...

[Kyndreth]

Heeeh...

Ahh, I didn't properly appreciate that kinda stuff when I had the opportunity to see those. I'm older now though... so I could appreciate it now~

[galled]

I don't think that wanting more is a problem, but wanting more and achieving it by harming the people around you is bad. We should want more but for the good of all of us.

When demand exceeds supply people do bad things. I think it's a nice ideal, and I wish it were different, but there are too many things that must be done that people don't want to do or can't do, so there is inequality. You may earn more, but someone loses or is harmed in any transaction. It's like a physics law, a law of motion. Everything seeks equilibrium. So there will be energy spent. Unfortunately not all will be in the same direction nor positive or constructive.

[Kyndreth]

It'd be niice if people could just be nice and stuff~

[dragoness129]

Good morning everyone! How have you all been?

[Kyndreth]

Good morning~
Sorry, I slept late~

[chobi]

I don't think that wanting more is a problem, but wanting more and achieving it by harming the people around you is bad. We should want more but for the good of all of us.

When demand exceeds supply people do bad things. I think it's a nice ideal, and I wish it were different, but there are too many things that must be done that people don't want to do or can't do, so there is inequality. You may earn more, but someone loses or is harmed in any transaction. It's like a physics law, a law of motion. Everything seeks equilibrium. So there will be energy spent. Unfortunately not all will be in the same direction nor positive or constructive.

I don't quite understand the concept of what you said and why people actually believe that this is a reasonable thing. So if there are no more chocolates in the store and i'm there (which is the criteria demand exceeding supply) than it's ok to go crazy? I agree, there is inequality, but then again, if someone has something and I don't I don't go crazy for it. That's what I don't really get. It's the reactions of the masses. And I don't believe that we've been programmed to do it. It's not hard-coded in our brains or DNA. We are being conditioned to, but it's not hard to understand simple manipulation techniques like that.

We just need to educate the people to understand that and then I'm not expecting prices to drop, but I'm expecting people to stop abusing others for personal gain. That's the point I'm trying to push into. It's not about the money, it's not about the economy system, it's about the abuse of things and this only depends on the people.

[Kyndreth]

Hmmmm.... I seee.... today I learned a wee bit more bout chobi?

[galled]

I don't quite understand the concept of what you said and why people actually believe that this is a reasonable thing. So if there are no more chocolates in the store and i'm there (which is the criteria demand exceeding supply) than it's ok to go crazy? I agree, there is inequality, but then again, if someone has something and I don't I don't go crazy for it. That's what I don't really get.

Oh, it's not reasonable, but it is how it work. People shouldn't freak out or plot/manipulate the system or skirt the law to get what they want. It's the few that ruin things as most people are law abiding and are either at least neutral or benevolent. Mindkind is mostly good, but we have a lot of bad apples and a lot of people who don't know any better, don't care, or have been raised with the idea that it's OK and how it should be.

It's the reactions of the masses. And I don't believe that we've been programmed to do it. It's not hard-coded in our brains or DNA. We are being conditioned to, but it's not hard to understand simple manipulation techniques like that.

Like most things, it's a combination of genes and environment. Genes in the desire for more etc., but we are also conditioned by the environment (not just the natural environment).

We just need to educate the people to understand that and then I'm not expecting prices to drop, but I'm expecting people to stop abusing others for personal gain. That's the point I'm trying to push into. It's not about the money, it's not about the economy system, it's about the abuse of things and this only depends on the people.

Well, there's the rub. Education isn't universal in availability and content. I agree the only hope is formal and informal education (values instilled by parents, acquaintances and beliefs all play a role), but these values you believe in and discuss here are not universal. Some are more self-centered and why a lot of the world does not get along. I don't have an answer other than indoctrinating everyone on the planet, but even then, there are people who are simply broken (and I think the percentage is much higher than people realize) and will never be able to fit in this world order.

My point was even if everyone was equal and had all of their needs met, we'd still have problems with a good number or people because psychologically we are programmed (through genetics) to want more and some will give in to it unconsciously by default if they don't think or are aware of social pressures/acceptability. I think this because in my experience people who are "raised wrong" are typically are raised with little to no guidance and they default to the kind of behaviour and beliefs that go against your ideals.

That said, wanting more is not always negative. This is the same engine that drives progress too, and probably a major factor for human success as a species. So something else to consider.

[Kyndreth]

I dunno bout mankind being mostly good.

[Lemon Cheesecake]

I think we'd like to do good but temptations come our way

[chobi]

Galled I do not believe that there is a gene that makes us want more. We have systems to tell us that we need more air, water, food, things that we need to consume in order to survive. I do not believe that there's a gene that tells us that we need to rule the world or be on top of the masses or want to have an expensive and luxurious life style.

I also have reason to suspect that it is human behavior that allows some genes to awaken and others to degrade. Human body is very adaptive and it's the fact that we really do not know how a big part of it works that we fail to destroy it easily sometimes. And when I say easily I mean by abusing it for the most part of our lives.

Most of the things that drive us towards greed and lust for power are illusions created by mankind itself. Those things can be seen through and issues that come with them could be avoided.

The biggest enemy that we face with this kind of problem is not the masses but ourselves and the fact that we have to bring this fight with our own self to everyone in this world is the biggest obstacle that we are facing.

Thus the solution is to help people reach deep within their own selves and guide them to follow one of the paths that leads to similar outcome.

An answer would be to force the world into this direction with unrivaled power and strict dictate for long years and that would be close to impossible too not only because there is no such a power, but also because people die (as soon as the people holding the power die and change maybe a few times, everything would be wasted) and because the people who love to abuse the power are good at hiding within the circles of power and going with the flow while still getting the best for themselves until the flow changes direction.

There are people trying to educate the masses but their words are wasted as well because people don't listen or even if they listen, they often abuse the teachings, ignore them because of the cases of abuse or simply do not understand them.

Since young age I lost all will to achieve anything in this world because it's wasted.

The only thing that I'll have the hope to make the difference is eventually the thesis that as the solar system entered a different photon belt in the universe (around 2011) and we are under the influence of different radiations and energies from outer space, people might awaken a higher consciousness and eventually build the numbers towards the critical point that will topple the masses and change the norm...

Other then that, I gave up on this world and would just like to live the rest of my life in peace separated by stupid power struggles and races towards illusory goals that grant no real satisfaction.

And yes, Lemon Cheesecake the road to hell is flooded with good intentions

[Kyndreth]

I don't think everything would be wasted. Success is built on failure.

Heeeh... we're both so defeatist.

But at least knowledge is growing. Overall education is improving. So people are learning and as people learn more, and the base knowledge increases. So long as we don't destroy ourselves (which we probably will) and manage to last long enough, it's possible we'll improve enough that things get better.

After all, once upon a time we were star stuff~