Let's Talk!: Politics.. :( Nov. Elections

[Watery Star]

Really? I thought Florida was way too republican for her to win it.

[Lemon Cheesecake]

lol, maybe I heard wrong! I am not too knowledgeable about all the politics I am afraid.

Ok on the lighter side, something a friend sent out:

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If God wanted us to vote, he would have given us candidates.
~Jay Leno~
The problem with political jokes is they get elected.
~Henry Cate, VII~
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office
~Aesop~
If we got one-tenth of what was promised to us in these State of the Union speeches, there wouldn't be any inducement to go to heaven.
~Will Rogers~
Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river.
~Nikita Khrushchev~

When I was a boy I was told that anybody could become President; I'm beginning to believe it.
~Clarence Darrow~
Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the tunnel, go out and buy some more tunnel.
~John Quinton~
Why pay money to have your family tree traced; go into politics and your opponents will do it for you.
~Author unknown~
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.
~Ronald Reagan~

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Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich, by promising to protect each from the other.
~Oscar Ameringer~
I offer my opponents a bargain: if they will stop telling lies about us, I will stop telling the truth about them.
~Adlai Stevenson, 1952~
A politician is a fellow who will lay down your life for his country.
~ Tex Guinan~
I have come to the conclusion that politics is too serious a matter to be left to the politicians.
~Charles de Gaulle~
Instead of giving a politician the keys to the city, it might be better to change the locks.
~Doug Larson~

[Polaris]

What are everyone's opinions on people who voted for third parties?

I'm curious because, looking at the electoral map and the percentages for each candidate per state, some of the losses for X candidate could be attributed to the rise in the vote for Libertarian Gary Johnson or Independent Evan McMullin.

[galled]

I think it's a wasted vote, but that's probably because I don't understand the "sign of protest" idea behind doing something like that. I don't think anyone cares or notices until the numbers get into the semi-realistic range (Ross Perot), no one pays attention.

[Lemon Cheesecake]

I forgot about Ross Perot, he did make himself known even thought it didn't last long.

[Watery Star]

Wasn't he wealthy?

I voted green party knowing Hilary would win my state and she did. I think it's much better to vote 3rd party than to not vote at all. I hope for a change in our 2-party system. It's broken.

[galled]

Yes. Ross Perot was. He had some good ideas, but the majors crushed him.

[Watery Star]

In my school's mock election I voted for him cause he was the underdog. lol

[Bassy]

I always like to vote for the third party or 'underdog' like you say. They most likely have better views than the two popular ones.

[Lemon Cheesecake]

Views are one thing, being able to implement them is another. There will always be disagreements but being able to work through that without "name calling" and "mudslinging" should be the focus so that things can be accomplished

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.At my job I don't have confidence in the management above me, I've had to endure changes in policies that make no sense to me but I have to trust that change will eventually come about for the positive if we endure and keep holding up a higher standard. In the meantime I keep petitioning for the better outcome and although it could take years I will perservere. I am finding what seems to have the most impact is to collect and present facts rather then hear say.

I am just so embarrassed and ashamed of California for its temper-tantrum protests - which really are a form of riot since some of the actions put people in the line of danger (like stopping traffic) and terrorists acts (smashing peoples car windows, setting fires) as well as under cutting the whole democracy fundamental ideals.
For those who "protest" the US voting policies - would you have done that if your candidate did win? Why weren't you protesting it all along then? If you are going to protest tell me the facts you are protesting.

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What the heck is "Love trumps hate" supposed to mean? If you are not acting in a loving and honorable way yourself, even in a revengeful manner, how can you accuse someone when you are doing that very thing? I understand it's not like being able to quit your job if you don't like the management but throughout history people have had to suffer through various bad leadership and survived. So what's up with the "not my president"? Very sad, just because the person you wanted didn't get in.

One thing about the democracy is that it is not set up to have a dictator. There are still checks and balances - but it is who you have placed in leadership in your local community and state that are going to have the underlying influence.Why are people with an "immoral" history (sex offenders, drug addicts, arrest records) being voted in or associating with those who are in power ?

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I know people wanted Hillary but did they want who went with her? I was more afraid of the people she was surrounding herself with. On the other hand I felt more confident with the people Trump has surrounded himself with - who he seems to be listening to for a positive outcome - and even though he tends to be awkward, definitely not eloquent in speech he does have an understanding of business and the government is a business, plus he puts his own money where his mouth is. If the Democrats spent the amount of money investing in communities rather then campaign ads it would have had a greater affect. The millions they spent on election mail alone in each community could have set up the food bank for the year or helped fund free clinics for the lower income and middle class.

America has made their decision and the dissension needs to stop. You want to protest - get those petitions signed. Put a name and number to what you are against so that there is a record.Contact your local representatives and let them know your concerns.Sit in on board meetings in your community. You want to change the voting system? Start working on it now for the next election. You have four years ( less if it is for Senators etc). Is the future uncertain? Yes. Can we do something about it? I believe so - if we are willing to work toward it and not give up. Let's research the situations/facts and not act on emotion. Whatever happened to "United We Stand"? Maybe America needs to remind themselves of that stance.

[Bassy]

Most of the people are college students that are having a tantrum. My university has kept their chill and are smarter than that.....even though there are A LOT of Trump supporters here on campus. I haven't seen and Clinton supporters. It was Trump Vs. Sanders here. I still see people with Bernie stickers on their cars.

"People didn't like Sanders because he was a socialist. But Trump is considered Fascist among a lot of people and if people know Fascist is an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
synonyms: authoritarianism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, autocracy"

What does that sound like to you compared to socialism?

"a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
synonyms: leftism, welfarism"

I believe Socialism sounds a lot better than Fascism.

Though Socialsim may not work, but it can lead us to a better future, better solutions. I saw on the TV today talking about Trump's kids being involved... for "Political Power," so does he care more about power?? Clinton at least wanted everyone to do things 'together' but she still wasn't fit either.

[galled]

I think the mudslinging will continue in politics because it appears to work (at least according to the polls--which perhaps everyone is beginning to understand doesn't really reflect what people are thinking). Humans are emotional creatures and much of the population vote based on things other than policy. So things like labeling candidate in slogans seems to work as most people can't be bothered or are unable to research things to come to their own conclusions. If you <b>believed</b> all of the headlines , any sane person would be scared, and fear is the greatest motivator there is (genetic survival response). I wish it weren't this way, but it is what it is.

Anyway, regarding protests vs. riots, I blame Hillary and Bernie for not taking a stand here and saying protesting is fine, but rioting is not. No one wants to take anyone's 1st amendment rights away from <b>citizens</b>, but once you cross the line and break the law, you're stepping on everyone else's rights. The hypocrisy of it all is mind boggling.

Regarding Trumps kids: Can't happen. Anti-nepotism law introduced in 1967 after Kennedy appointed his brother to Attorney General. Anyway, I think he believes his kids are good for the jobs and he trusts them. I can't disagree with that sentiment. However, I think a bigger problem would be appointing people who can't do the job just because you owe them a favor or only they're related to you as has happened in the past. Either way, it won't happen unless they strike down the law--virtually zero chance of that happening.

[ciel]

the protests are funded by soros (he also funds BLM protests):
https://i.sli.mg/VZkiXN.jpg

they're busing protestors in, pics in austin:
https://twitter.com/erictucker/status/7 ... 9237692416

cop admits they got bused in: (3:07)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYChqtF ... be&t=3m07s

i was watching livestream feeds of the riots in portland last night.
they were largely peaceful in the beginning, but got co-opted by the violent group later in the night.

to be honest, if hillary had won i'd be out there protesting. but it wouldn't be because half the nation has a different opinion than i do, it would be because she's a criminal and because our system is corrupt to the core. the anti-trump protests are simply because they don't like him, and perceive him to be literally hitler; which i'd argue is the fault of the mainstream media - twisting everything so horrifically that people are genuinely afraid for their lives. ICE is not gonna come knocking on the doors of every immigrant, abortion is not gonna become federally illegal, it's not gonna become socially acceptable to assault people for their religion or sexuality... it's gonna be okay guys.

however i respect their right to show their disapproval in the form of peaceful demonstrations, and if they had a case for foul-play regarding the vote i would want that investigated. but they don't. they are simply angry that half the population disagrees with them. and regarding the electoral college stuff, if you don't like it that's fine, and we can have a discussion on that, but you don't get the change the rules after the game is already over and have them apply retroactively. from what i understand the electoral college exists because it is the states that elect the president, not the people. i think with the slow weakening of the state's power we've forgotten that.

[Lemon Cheesecake]

That's good to know Galled!
How did Kennedy put family in positions of power then? Or were they voted in on there own merits? ( and that lasted for decades...the Bush's seemed to be a family thing too...).

Bassy, I think both Trump and Hillary both have very similar ideals for the country - but that citizens were being led to believe there was a huge chasm. When Hillary ran against Obama and against Bernie you would have thought her opponents were the worst thing for the country...but she ended up working with Obama...and upholding his policies.

I do think Trump needs to be more specific when he says things - not what sounds like generalizing because that makes people nervous. I heard someone say Trump was against all birth control - I have not read all his speeches but what stood out from one of his debates was he was against last trimester abortions. Hillary tried to make it sound like he was against womans rights when I think he was trying to stand up for the right of the unborn child.

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In some States double murder charges are pressed if a pregnant woman is killed yet a woman can kill her baby - that if born could survive on its own- and not face murder charges. I am not going to get into abortion but we are at a time in our society where birth control is prevalent and easily accessible and people pay big money to adopt kids - even ones with deformities that will need medical care for the rest of their lives- because there is a desire to have kids. I agree that abortion should not be used as a form of birth control but I would also support a ruling where documented unfit parents should be sterilized ( eg the parents who were giving their 6, 4 and 2 year old "happy juice" which was heroin.). Some people would argue I am supporting taking away their rights but I view it as the parents forfeited their rights. Anyway, that's another subject.

But people easily take things out of context so before jumping to conclusions we need to view the whole topic and do our own research.

Ciel, nicely put.

[galled]

Soros should be stepping up and telling the groups he funds that if they riot, he'll stop funding them. If he does not, he should be prosecuted just the same as we prosecute those who fund terrorism. Just wow...

Kennedy appointed Robert before 1967, when they added the law.

Actually, I agree both Trump and Hillary shared some similar ideas, but there were some great differences too.